Skippers - Clouded Skipper and Sachem

I was finally able to identify the butterflies I saw on sunflowers last week ... I thought they were peculiar because of their wings.  I believe they are skippers (more than 280 species in North America, most of the tropical) ... antenna that have a club or hook but are short ... long proboscis ... wings at rest are held at angles ...

I think the skipper in the picture on top is a clouded skipper and the one below,  Sachem ???     Peterson Guide - Eastern Butterflies ???  ... best guess